It seems like a while ago, maybe last year at this time, a song
by an unknown artist was delivered to music writers and radio
stations and started to generate a buzz of excitement. “Between
Us” has everything you could want from an Progressive A/C
hit song. Literate, emotive lyrics, a captivating arrangement
and a vocal that has both beauty and warmth. It took a while
but it has become a hit. How could it not. This album was
not a one song wonder. Every song is striking and original.
"Who is Nyee Moses?" we all asked, as we fired up our search
engines to find that she did not have the pages of credentials
you'd think a singer/songwriter of this quality would have. She
didn't do session vocals or play in the clubs. She wrote songs,
gathered friends, went into the studio and created this work.
I wish this was an audio interview so you could hear how engaging
she is in conversation. The warmth and sense of knowing that
is present when she sings is equally present when she speaks.
SV: You appeared out of nowhere. People started talking about
the song but nobody knew where it came from. It was just had
this purity about it and this irresistible groove.
NM: It's hard to say where that came from other than from
our hearts and from our heads and from this beautiful group of musicians. People
are responding to it in such an incredible way, we're so happy about it.
SV: We were chatting before the kind of "official" interview
part about another subject entirely and you mentioned that you felt
like you and your manager, producer, songwriting partner and friend, Susan
Youngblood, had an agreement on kind of a destiny level to come together to
create something. Like maybe this album at this time?
NM: Sure. I really do feel that way. We met because we were
supposed to deliver this music that people are just responding to in such a
special way. It feels much bigger than just saying that we were going to write
something or put something together. It really had a special being to it. A
very deep place. The place the whole project came from and developed was very
spiritually important and the response to it really affirms that, like "wow,
we really were supposed to do it."
SV: How did it start? I heard that you started
working on it several years ago.
NM: I had been writing poetry and songs
my whole life. While I was growing up I wrote to help me
get through situations and understand things. I was adopted. I
was swimming a little bit trying to figure out where I came
from, what's my purpose, why am I here, as we all do. I think
the whole adoption thing really affects you when you are
growing up and trying to figure things out, especially if
you are not told what's going on. I used poetry and music
to help me through. It was my outlet, as it is for a lot
of artists, poets, musicians...it's a beautiful outlet. I
studied music - violin and guitar and I studied classical
music. I didn't start as a vocalist but then I started singing
to really voice the music as opposed to just playing music.
Susan is an incredible musician and producer, she's worked
with a lot of people and we have a partner, Marquis “Hami” Dair,
who is the same way. When Susan and I met we started talking
about music and talking about doing something together. We
started working and little magic things started to happen. We
never did a demo. We went in and made the CD as if all that
stuff was already in place and taken care of so we could
just put it out.
SV: How did you and Susan meet.
NM: We had a mutual friend, although we
didn't know it at the time, who said that we needed to meet
each other and we literally met and hit it off. That was
about eight years ago. We didn't start doing the music right
away though.
SV: Were you performing at the time.
NM: I was doing music privately, but I wasn't
singing in clubs or doing background vocals or sessions or
anything. I am not a singer in the sense that I have to sing.
I'm not the kind of performer who is motivated in that way.
I'm more of an artist and I'm very song-driven so I didn't
just want to go out there and sing top 40 or jazz in clubs.
I wanted to really create something and make something new
and original. So I was writing privately.
SV: At the time did you have any idea it was going
to feed into this project?
NM: After a while I did. When
it really started to gel. The music that the musicians were
coming up with when we started coming together was like in
my wildest dreams in my head. The way I would envision wanting
it to sound was what it was sounding like. But getting through
that process is so hit and miss. Sometimes you never get there.
So every time we came together and started creating one of
these pieces I would be really happy with it and say "let's
attack the next one."
SV: You used a group of musicians whose names aren't
on the credits of 90% of a smooth jazz CD collection.
NM: We came to them by way of Susan, who knew most of them
from when she toured Latin America. We had Rene Toledo and
Ramon Stagnaro on guitar, Lenny Castro and Kevin Ricard did
percussion, Otmaro Ruiz on keyboards. They became friends and
when they heard about the project they joined us, which was
an incredible gift because they are just amazing and some of
the sweetest guys you'd ever want to meet.
SV: There's a real sense of originality in these
songs and the way they come together - the production and
different effects. There are little touchstones of familiarity
like maybe a song has a Sade influence or a chill groove
going on but they don't sound like anything else. They
sound like youere is so much pressure now to sound like
something that has already been done. How do you stay off
that path.
NM: I think just being honest with it and
not trying too hard and just letting it out in your own way.
I have to say also that I didn't listen to a lot of music
for a number of years. There's a lot of great stuff out there
and you can't help but be influenced by it so so I completely
turned my ears off to it for a while. I actually missed some
really wonderful albums and it was kind of nice to go back
and listen and really love some new stuff. It wasn't that
I didn't listen because I didn't want to be influenced as
much as because it was a distraction when you're trying to
get something going on your own.
SV: I remember a long time ago reading that one
of my favorites, it might have been Joni Mitchell or Laura
Nyro, didn't listen to other people's music when they were
working on their own albums because of the distraction and
not wanting to be vulnerable to influences.
NM: I think that probably happens for a
lot of artists, not just musicians but writers and visual
artists too.
SV: I may be reading too much into the way the
songs are sequenced but I heard it as two cycles of songs
that intersect with the first part goes from the initial
fluttering of the heart into the dissolution of a love
affair and then a spiritual search that takes you from
childhood to the end, which is kind of a personal meets
political theme.
NM: That's actually correct. There's the
love affair that starts with "Between Us," "Call
Me," and ends with "Vanilla" (laughs) which
is a true story. When you're absolutely in love and think
something incredible is happening - and it was happening
- then you find out that person is seeing somebody else and
you find out not from them, but by accident, because of a
scent that they were wearing. But stuff like that happens.
SV: But to jump back to the part before the fall, "Between
Us," so beautifully summed up that buzz and that hope
that you get when you meet someone you feel like you absolutely
click with.
NM: "My love for you it flows so everlasting,
oh you know this, you star in all my dreams" is
just how it feels in perfect love situations where you have
that feeling that time moves in slow motion because you're
in that hypnotic love state. You feel it in your heart and
you just get intoxicated and washed over in the waves of
this beautiful love affair.
SV: And then in the ones that fall between that
song and "Vanilla" you were able to convey eroticism
and vulnerability without the kind of self effacing thing
that most women come from when they are going through those
situations.
NM: I think it comes from not getting bitter
and from being able to maintain a sense of who you are when
something happens. Like the situation that turned happened
with "Vanilla." It happened. When something like
that happens you go through the pain but you can come back
to this innocent sensuality about love itself, just plain
love. If you just stick to what love really is, go with that,
and kind of keep it simple you can get past that place where
you come to love with this sense of putting yourself down.
SV:"Vanilla" comes from such a different
place than most lost love songs. It just makes a statement
- "I'm onto you, I know what's going on and that's
just how it is." When you basically get cosmically
kicked in the teeth like that how do you not get bitter?
NM: You just have to go "OK, I don't
know how I got into that one but I'm glad I dug out of it
and let them go their way and just keep moving forward." When
you keep moving forward other things come into your life
that remind you that maybe you weren't supposed to be in
that relationship in the first place, or if you were then
you got the lesson you needed from it and this is the
perfect exit strategy. It helps keep you from getting caught
up in the drama, because getting caught up in the drama is
what feeds the bitterness and keeps us repeating these patterns
over and over. You have to remove yourself. That's where
songs come from, because you can't really make that stuff
up. You can try but it just doesn't come out the same as
when you've been through it yourself.
SV: If you look at the sequence of this album
it started to turn inward after that. Toward the spiritual,
toward ancestors and heritage and a young girl growing into
her own strength.
NM: That's the process of trying
to understand where I came from, and in the same way provide
that for everybody because we are all trying to figure out
who we are and where we are from. We had a lot of fun with
that. Ali Baba, who does the African voices on two of those
songs, comes from a line of Shamans and when he is speaking
on the different songs he's calling to his mom. He's talking
about the things his mother told him about loving children
and staying in the spirit, and family. I think just hearing
his voice during "The Journey," which speaks of my
specific journey and his voice comes in talking about mothers
and children and that wish and that blessing, and then "Acacia
Tree" which speaks of where we come from. It's so magical
the way he delivers that. We had no idea what it was going
to sound like until he opened his mouth and we all stood there
stunned, tears coming out of our eyes. Even if you don't know
literally what he's saying your heart knows and you can feel
this stuff. It was a really peaceful experience for him to
come in and be on the project.
SV: When you listen to the CD and the totally
original way that some of these arrangements come together
it feels like that type of spontaneity and magic was happening
pretty often.
NM: You're right. Literally every time a
musician came in, because these people are so talented, these
things would happen. It was so much fun making this album.
There was so much magic, Really every piece of it, from the
writing to the players coming together. For example on "Vanilla," it
sat the way it was without that vocal part that goes "she
knows your story." Then one day I came up with it and
we put it in. That was the first take. I put the headphones
on and just said "She knows your story, she knows your
story" and that was it.
SV: That line sounds like you're channeling every
woman who has had what she already knew confirmed and faced
it and moved on.
NM: Those moments like that were so magical
because you just don't know when they're going to happen.
There are things that I go back to today and think of ways
we could have done a little something different because you're
always evolving and changing but part of the magic is knowing
when to stop.
SV: Most artists go into the studio with a producer
and a preordained agenda of what they are going to do. How
did you escape that process.
NM: That's kind of hard to pin down. I think
it was just by not being so calculated. By really being honest
about it and reaching for what was true. When you write something
that is not honest you know it. You go for something then
keep going back and it just doesn't work. And there are some
days when you know it's just not the day. You can't force
the art. It just has to come, which is frustrating because
it may take longer than you want it to but you just have
to let it work itself out.
SV: What made you decide to release this yourself
instead of shopping for a label deal.
NM: At first we tried. We did a little bit
of shopping it around but people would hear it and respond
to it, then they would sit on it because there is so much
going on. There are so many distractions and things are changing
so fast. There is so much out there that it's hard for the
people at the labels to focus on something that is new and
not proven, that hasn't got a guarantee. We decided to make
it simple and do it ourselves, to not focus on the label
and music business part of it and just go for it. To trust
it and see how it works. And to give it time to work.
SV: I just think the angels were on your side,
and our side as listeners because this song came completely
from left field, didn't fit a formula, and it took a while
but it is getting airplay at stations that rarely touch new
artists, new songs, or vocals that haven't hit first in another
format.
NM: Angels, absolutely. We keep pinching
ourselves daily because when do vocals ever break in this
format unless you have several albums under your belt, or
a Grammy?
SV: If you've been around that long they say you're
too old, though. There are artists out there doing brilliant
work that isn't commercially successful because the label
doesn't know how to market them or they don't know how
to get their feet in the digital world. It's like the Luther
Vandross quote that Jason Miles shared with us where he
said "I make the best pizza in town but the delivery
system is getting it to the customer cold." If
at all.
NM: It is that. That's why we had to do
it ourselves. The distractions, all the different stops they
have to make before the pizza gets delivered, it's gonna
be cold. You can't trust somebody else with it. Susan and
I say it almost every day that we have to do it ourselves.
It is painful and joyful at the same time. We go through
times that are just so oh, wow, tough...but if you do it,
then it is going to get there the way you want it.
SV: You didn't do much live performance until
this album came out did you?
NM: No, I didn't do much live at all. I
did sing with a jazz band doing standards for a while but
it just wasn't satisfying. I wasn't the jazz singer only.
I wanted to do more original stuff. I've been a costume designer.
I really stayed out of the traditional music path of performing.
SV: You got to open for Chris Botti at a big concert
in Chicago, which was quite a leap for someone who hasn't
spent much time onstage and I saw in your blog that it
went really well.
NM: It was beautiful. It was unbelievable.
But, yes, it was the first big concert. I didn't know what
to expect. Unbelievably gorgeous theater, it has 5,000 seats.
It went amazing. I had a great band. The music director had
worked with Seal, some of the rhythm section players had
worked with Madonna.
SV: What was it like walking out there.
NM: I had about 5-10 seconds of jitters
but seeing friends and smiles on the front rows was so incredible.
What was great was that Barbara Gueno from WUNA was sitting
on the front row. She's a fan and made us feel so welcome
when we stopped by the station earlier that day. Jason Gorov,
who had such a commitment to promoting the song at radio,
flew in for the concert, It was great having people
like that there, and feeling the audience get into the music.
SV: It's hard to be the opening act for a star
but the audience dug you didn't they?
NM: They kinda liked it a lot. At first
they weren't sure but they got into it. I even had a couple
who said they had traveled two hours to see me. Which is
mind boggling, to know someone traveled that far to see you..
SV: Are you going to be doing any more shows
anytime soon.
NM: I'm doing the Seabreeze Jazz Festival
in Florida with Rafe Gomez. Then we are opening for Chris
Botti in Cleveland and for Rick Braun in Atlanta.
SV: You'll have to get used to the performance
part because the more word gets out, the more you are going
to be invited to play.
NM: One of the wonderful things about "Between
Us" getting this kind of success is that it's become
a vehicle for meeting incredible people. That alone is wonderful.
Forget the business part. These people that hear the song
and go "wow" then want to meet me, and they are
so wonderful. That is the power of the technology now too,
because people can hear the music, then some of them write
about it on websites or MySpace and sites like that. Then
more people hear it because of that. And we can really keep
in touch with people too.
SV: That's a beautiful thought. Music does bring
people together, and it gives us something we can share even
when it feels like we don't have much else in common. Thank
you so much for creating music that has that effect.
Get in touch with Nyee Moses at www.nyeemoses.com or visit
her MySpace page at www.myspace.com/nyeemoses to sample more
tracks from her CD and some very tasty remixes.
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